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Title: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Rob Baker on January 07, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
.....is a quote taken from this very interesting article from 'The Herald', a Scottish newspaper, from 31st March 1990.

Characters behind the cartoons
by Tom Shields

OVER the pool table at the Station Bar, Kingskettle, Fife, two men are hard at work. No, it is not a high-stakes game between two of the kingdom's hustlers.

The chaps are Roger Kettle and Andrew Christine and, in between potting spots, stripes and the black, they are concocting some of Britain's consistently funniest cartoon strips.

Kettle and Christine produce Beau Peep for the Daily Star, Mildew for the News of the World, and A Man Called Horace for the Daily Mirror and Daily Record.

They have also produced a large number of one-off cartoons.

Their work features in an exhibition, See Glasgow, See Culture, which opens at Glasgow's Kelvingrove art galleries tomorrow. The show is sub-titled The Scottish Cartoonist Show 1990, which is just as well since Kettle and Christine live respectively in Newport-on-Tay and in Cupar and their spiritual home is Dundee. But any show of Scottish cartoonists, even to celebrate Glasgow's culturebash, would not be complete without Kettle and Christine.

Let us go back 20 years to D. C. Thomson's bustling comic empire in Dundee. Andrew Christine has been turned down for art school because he does not have a Higher English to match his Higher art. He is working on the Topper producing illustrations and cartoons for the letters page.

Roger Kettle, a Glasgow Highlander (he left the big city to live in Dalwhinnie when he was five), has applied for a job as a journalist with D. C. Thomson. He enjoys writing, particularly jokes, and can think of nothing apart from journalism for which he might be qualified. Sorry, said Thomson's, we have no jobs for journalists, but would you like to write for our comics? ''It was like a shaft of light,'' says Kettle. ''I could get paid for making up jokes.''

Thus Kettle became the boy in the bubble, the alter ego of such star names as Beryl the Peril, and a colleague of Christine on the Topper.

Those were the days when the Topper was tops, selling 300,000 copies a week. Kettle and Christine found themselves encouraged to work together on some of the comic's whackier excursions by Ron Frame, editor of the Topper and a man to whose memory they feel obliged to hoist the occasional pint.

They went freelance in 1975 and concluded that the best way to generate some regular income was to get into the comic strip market. There then followed almost two years of rejection, hard times, hard work, perseverance, and much discussion, over games of pool, as to whether they would ever make the breakthrough.

When Kettle came up with the idea for Beau Peep, even Christine, his own partner, said: ''No. Let's think again.'' But Kettle persevered, persuaded Christine, and they set to work creating the world of the Foreign Legion anti-hero, based ever so loosely on Beau Geste.

The strip was then rejected by almost every newspaper and magazine in Britain. It was a time of some despair for Roger Kettle: ''I knew it was the best I could do.'' The self-truth was matched by self-confidence. Kettle and Christine plugged away with Beau Peep, all the while scraping a living by writing football stories for comics and any other work that was going.

Eventually, the Daily Star conscripted Beau Peep and, within a matter of weeks, it began to develop an appreciative public.

The Kettle line in jokes and themes is simple and unpretentious; it does not rely on topical news but remains fresh. Beau Peep is an anti-hero. A coward in the face of adversity, an intellectual giant in a land of intellectual pigmies.

Suffice to say that Kettle and Christine, supreme journeymen of the cartoon strip trade, now find themselves in great demand. Their current handsome contract for Beau Peep was signed over champagne at Stringfellows club in London.

Their latest oeuvre, a Man Called Horace, is also beginning to gain notice among aficionados of cartoon strips. It is a wild Wild West saga filled with irony and anarchy. It is derived from a whole series of individual western cartoons which Kettle and Christine produced in their early days for men's magazines. Many of them are unmentionable in this family newspaper; others barely so.

A friend, fan, and former colleague of Roger Kettle in the Dundee fun factory had this to say about his sense of humour: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool.'' Having seen him in action, his friend must mean he is precise, skilful, elegant, and confident while at the same time giving the impression that he is random, ordinary, casual and unassuming.

''He is half a yard ahead of the rest of us when it comes to jokes,'' adds his pal. Andrew Christine says: ''He is quite simply the funniest writer I know.''

Christine, the artist, comes in for equal praise from Kettle. ''Andrew's drawings are works of art ruined by my feeble jokes, especially the large-scale cartoons we used to do for the men's magazines. Andrew does a wonderful biblical sky.''

It should be said that when they are not praising each other on the record, they specialise in giving out plenty of stick over the lager and lime and 80 shilling ale.

They may never approach the vast wealth of, for instance, the cartoonist Schulz, who makes $65m a year out of merchandising Peanuts. Or maybe they will. As Andrew Christine says: ''We're very big in Sarawak and up-and-coming in Hong Kong.''
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 08, 2014, 12:04:04 AM
Interesting article, Rob. Wonder if he'll enlighten us on the Stringfellows section of the story?   ;)
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on January 08, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
He probably won't.. or can't. I was there, and I don't recall very much, other than Roger handing out cash he'd been given by the Star... for drinks...

Great article, Rob, and ever so accurate, especially the description of the way Roger plays pool.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Roger Kettle on January 08, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
This happened back in '87. For some strange reason, The Star had arranged a series of Beau Peep events at Pontins camps around the country. These involved Andrew and I judging Beau Peep-themed fancy dress competitions, signing books and being photographed alongside page 3 girls who were all wearing Beau Peep t-shirts (a dreadful hardship).This is where we first met Rob Baker---he turned up at Weston-super-Mare, dressed as a camel! I also believe he nicked a life-size Beau Peep cut-out that had been tied to the front gate for publicity. The rascal.
Anyway, the final leg of this...ahem..."tour" was a party in Stringfellows, which was surreal, to say the least. All the bar staff were wearing the aforementioned t-shirts and the decor of the whole place related to the strip. We were given loads of free tickets so we invited lots of friends like Tarks to join in the fun. It was, I believe, a fine night.
The bit about signing a new contract over champagne is a tad exaggerated. The Star had a new editor and, because he was aware that the strip was almost out of contract, talked to Andrew and I about getting it renewed before we fled back to Scotland. We signed it the following day in his Fleet Street office. In those days, The Star actively promoted Beau Peep and we were made to feel an important part of the paper but times have changed. It's probably been 15 years since an editor spoke to me. The cost-cutting climate in newspapers today is such that everyone keeps their head down and simply gets on with their own job.
It was bloody good fun while it lasted, though!
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on January 08, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
I remember Pepsi & Shirlie being there... and Lloyd Honeyghan, I think... and some woman called Maria Whittaker who was very big back then... and some strange bloke dressed as a camel, lurking in the shadows...

It was indeed an epic party, especially for those of us who'd rarely strayed beyond the bricht lichts o' Broughty Ferry before then.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 08, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
I remember Pepsi & Shirlie being there... and Lloyd Honeyghan, I think... and some woman called Maria Whittaker who was very big back then... and some strange bloke dressed as a camel, lurking in the shadows...

It was indeed an epic party, especially for those of us who'd rarely strayed beyond the bricht lichts o' Broughty Ferry before then.

Oh you swine, Tarks. Well, that's my '80s dreams stolen. You breathed the same air as Maria Whitaker? She was huge back then...well, she certainly was in the life size poster of her (and Suzanne Mizzi) that I had.   :-[

And Lloyd Honeygan? Loved watching him box.

I was 19 back then, and old enough to drink. You could have called.   :(
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Roger Kettle on January 08, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
Sandy, there is (for us) a famous story about Maria Whittaker concerning that night. A pal of Andrew's from Fife turned up at the do, wearing the full Highland get-up---kilt, sporran, the works. His name, honestly, was Sandy and at 6ft 4" was an impressive figure. Anyway, Maria spotted a photo opportunity and snuggled up to Sandy and asked if he wouldn't mind having his picture taken with her. (The event was obviously being covered by Daily Star photographers). Now, at that time, Maria Whittaker was one of the most famous models in Britain. Sandy, however, had just arrived and, at that stage, hadn't managed to take advantage of the free bar.
"Come back when I'm fired up, lass" was his now-legendary response.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 08, 2014, 11:14:16 PM
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I am typing this with tears running down my face. Only a Scot could knock back a top model for a beer. I would love to know what she thought about getting sidelined for a free bevvy.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Superb.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Mince on January 09, 2014, 07:36:30 AM
talked to Andrew and I about getting it renewed

Andrew and me  ..0
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on January 09, 2014, 09:18:50 AM
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I am typing this with tears running down my face. Only a Scot could knock back a top model for a beer. I would love to know what she thought about getting sidelined for a free bevvy.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Superb.

She wasn't happy. Cost me two cider-and-Babychams from Roger's free money before I could get a smile from her, and by that time Andrew's pal was all fired up. Curses!
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 09, 2014, 09:42:14 AM
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I am typing this with tears running down my face. Only a Scot could knock back a top model for a beer. I would love to know what she thought about getting sidelined for a free bevvy.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Superb.

She wasn't happy. Cost me two cider-and-Babychams from Roger's free money before I could get a smile from her, and by that time Andrew's pal was all fired up. Curses!

Two cider-and-Babychams? I could have afforded her. Why does life mock me so much.   :'(
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Rob Baker on January 10, 2014, 06:19:13 PM
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/beauatburnham_zps063df3dc.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/beauatburnham_zps063df3dc.jpg.html)
This happened back in '87. For some strange reason, The Star had arranged a series of Beau Peep events at Pontins camps around the country. These involved Andrew and I judging Beau Peep-themed fancy dress competitions, signing books and being photographed alongside page 3 girls who were all wearing Beau Peep t-shirts (a dreadful hardship).This is where we first met Rob Baker---he turned up at Weston-super-Mare, dressed as a camel!
All that effort dressing up and I never won a prize. Gave me the right hump that did.

I also believe he nicked a life-size Beau Peep cut-out that had been tied to the front gate for publicity. The rascal.
I prefer the word 'liberated'.  They were good though  --  wonder what happened to all the others? There's only 2 left in this shot:

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/pontins_zps42261203.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/pontins_zps42261203.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Rob Baker on January 10, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
I remember Pepsi & Shirlie being there... and Lloyd Honeyghan, I think... and some woman called Maria Whittaker who was very big back then... and some strange bloke dressed as a camel, lurking in the shadows...

It was indeed an epic party, especially for those of us who'd rarely strayed beyond the bricht lichts o' Broughty Ferry before then.
Oh you swine, Tarks. Well, that's my '80s dreams stolen. You breathed the same air as Maria Whitaker? She was huge back then...well, she certainly was in the life size poster of her (and Suzanne Mizzi) that I had.   :-[

And Lloyd Honeygan? Loved watching him box.

I was 19 back then, and old enough to drink. You could have called.   :(

You should have entered the competition Sandy   ..0
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/stringfellowscomp_zps2e875ed8.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/stringfellowscomp_zps2e875ed8.jpg.html)

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/stringfellowsinvite1_zpsee7a07c9.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/stringfellowsinvite1_zpsee7a07c9.jpg.html)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/stringfellowsinvite2_zpsf343d4eb.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/stringfellowsinvite2_zpsf343d4eb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Rob Baker on January 10, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
I remember Pepsi & Shirlie being there... and Lloyd Honeyghan, I think... and some woman called Maria Whittaker who was very big back then... and some strange bloke dressed as a camel, lurking in the shadows...
It was indeed an epic party, especially for those of us who'd rarely strayed beyond the bricht lichts o' Broughty Ferry before then.
I think I posted this before Tarks, but here's the camel.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/nomad2010/stringfellowsreport_zpsbd3b4750.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nomad2010/media/stringfellowsreport_zpsbd3b4750.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 10, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
I just read the small print. Maria Whittaker AND Suzanne Mizzi were there. It would have been like my bedroom wall coming alive.

My poor broken heart.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I may not be able to post for some time...I'm just stepping out.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Roger Kettle on January 11, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
Looking back, it's difficult to believe how much fuss was being made about the strip by The Star. The editor who sanctioned all this was a guy called Lloyd Turner, who was a great supporter of the strip and wanted Beau Peep to be almost synonymous with the paper. I remember walking down Fleet Street one day and, outside every newsagent, was a poster advertising The Star with Beau Peep's face staring out at me. To get that kind of backing from an editor is VERY rare in a cartoonist's life and it's something I'll never forget. More often than not, cartoons in newspapers are tolerated rather than promoted. Lloyd's career at The Star was terminated shortly before that Stringfellows do. He had printed a story about Jeffrey Archer's visits to a prostitute and further ramifications---a story all Fleet Street was aware of but too nervous to publish. After a truly ludicrous court case, The Star was sued by Archer and Lloyd was sacked. Of course, it emerged later that the story was true---Archer was jailed---but all too late for Lloyd. It was a sad end to The Star career of a great tabloid editor.
Re-reading the original Herald article (by the way, thanks for that, Rob), I couldn't help smiling at the quote from Andrew about the strip being "big in Sarawak". I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I clearly remember the day that we were told that Beau Peep had  been sold to a newspaper in Sarawak---this was the first time the strip had been syndicated. Andrew and I went out to celebrate and spent more in two hours than we made in a year's syndication money!
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 11, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
I don't think "it's difficult to believe how much fuss was being made about the strip" at all. At the risk of being accused of being a kiss-ass, Beau Peep is simply THE funniest cartoon strip that there has been. I defy anyone not to laugh out loud at it. It is as funny now as it always has been...and it hasn't dated a day. I know humour is very much a personal thing, but like music, it's something I could not live without. In fact as I've grown older, and took on the usual growing-up responsibilities we usually all do, I appreciate good humour (and music) even more. We all need a laugh, and those who can provide it are worth their weight in gold (or free drink anyway). I'm sure Mr Turner, to his great credit, realised this.

People can be far too serious these days. I've been accused of being infantile, puerile, immature, sick, non-pc...blah, blah, blah. Guess what? Guilty on all counts and proud of it. If the ones who have had a snipe at me, would get their heads out of their backsides and have a laugh, they would maybe enjoy life a bit better. Humphy gits should be made to read BP and/or watch Monty Python, and if they don't laugh...shoot them. They will serve no purpose to society. Ok, shooting is maybe a bit harsh, so I'll accept tasering them. Seeing them wriggle on the ground would give me a chuckle.

Sorry, went off on a rant there. Did I mention my car door getting dinked? Think it may have affected me.

Beau Peep is up there with The Pythons, The Goons...all the best of them. Long may it continue.

 :) :) :)

Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Bilthehut on January 13, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Wot Sandy said.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Roger Kettle on January 13, 2014, 09:22:23 PM
WAY over the top, gentlemen, but thanks very much.
Sandy, I've said this many times before but, in this context, it's worth repeating--- there is nothing original in what I do. In both the strips I created, Beau Peep and Horace, I simply wrote spoof versions of established, heroic characters. This is a comic format which goes back forever and comparing the ground-breaking work of The Goons and Monty Python to my stuff is like comparing apples to...um...crap oranges from the (past its sell-by date) Tesco Value Range.
Once again, I thank you but....discussion over! I will, however, happily discuss how good Peanuts and Asterix are....
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 13, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
WAY over the top, gentlemen, but thanks very much.
Sandy, I've said this many times before but, in this context, it's worth repeating--- there is nothing original in what I do. In both the strips I created, Beau Peep and Horace, I simply wrote spoof versions of established, heroic characters. This is a comic format which goes back forever and comparing the ground-breaking work of The Goons and Monty Python to my stuff is like comparing apples to...um...crap oranges from the (past its sell-by date) Tesco Value Range.
Once again, I thank you but....discussion over! I will, however, happily discuss how good Peanuts and Asterix are....

I have been a huge fan of Asterix ever since, as a nipper, a letter of complaint of mine (about poor binding quality) basically caused the delivery of half the Goscinny and Uderzo back catalogue. I still have them and some Lucky Luke books I was sent also, kicking about in my dad's house. Both were superb, and Asterix remains a firm favourite (Cacofonix the Bard...what a character). The drawings amused me so much and still do. Great writing and great artwork...something sounds familiar here ! Better than BP...close one, but no. It's not laugh out loud the way BP is.

Peanuts, in my opinion, is great but I honestly wouldn't rate it above BP either, I'm afraid. I wasn't being overly dramatic, BP just hits the spot. The drawing and the writing just work so so well. I know others might disagree, but as I said, it's a personal thing humour.

 :)






Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Diane CBPFC on January 23, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
I have not read a lot of cartoons – Beau Peep makes me LOL as does Herman. I think The Far Side cartoons are clever and amusing but I don’t LOL. I tried to read a few others but never really got them.

I mostly like my humour in the DVD format. Moving pictures are tops. I was so glad that Mr. Butcheeks mentioned Porridge - that was really excellent.

I was reading Calven and Hobbes - but then my son came home a xmas and took them back with him.  I found them charming and interesting but did not LOL



Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 24, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
Glad you liked Porridge, Diane. Ronnie Barker, in my opinion, was one of the best.

I have been youtubing Dave Allen (another of the greats) recently, and it's still hilarious. If you haven't had the good fortune to see any of him, give it a go. I think you'll enjoy it.

 :)

Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Diane CBPFC on January 24, 2014, 09:33:51 PM
I didn't remember the name - but I did the face when I googled. He was the guy missing a finger and finshed his show with "may your god go with you". It must have been good, but that show hasn't crossed my mind for 30-40 years.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Diane CBPFC on January 24, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
That's sad, he's dead.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 24, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
That's sad, he's dead.

He's not dead, he's pining.  ;D
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Diane CBPFC on January 27, 2014, 12:34:50 AM
I ordered his DVD  :)

I get BBC Canada and often watch the Graham Norton show - I think it is one of the best shows on TV. I have been loving the comedians he has on the show for years. Now that I have an all-region DVD player - I have ordered a few live shows on DVDs by different performers - can't wait to see them. I hope these guys are as funny as they are on Norton - he does tend to bring out the best in his guests.

I treated myself to these guys:

Lee Mack
Alan Davies
David Mitchel
Jack Whitehall
John Bishop
Rob Brydon

Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Malc on January 27, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
I can still remember the effect that the Star generally had on me at that time, and Beau Peep in particular. Definitely the funniest strip going, and a breath of fresh air - the only strip that I found laugh out loud funny. Noel Ford was the Star's editorial cartoonist (a gig he shared with Bill Caldwell, alternate days), and you can only marvel at the perception of the Star's editor(s) at the time.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Roger Kettle on January 27, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Many thanks, Malc.
Going back to Peanuts, I can only say once again how much of an influence it was on me. Like all things that become hugely successful, it came in for all sorts of petty criticism---I've heard it described as "safe", "cosy" and "bland". This was a strip that featured a dog sitting on his kennel and imagining he was a WWI pilot, some truly surreal sequences about "The Great Pumpkin" and a kid who played a toy piano with a Beethoven bust on top of it. The running joke about Lucy promising not to take the football away as Charlie Brown runs up to kick it is as simple as it is brilliant. Charles Schulz was writing this stuff nearly 60 years ago. I couldn't, for a single second, come NEAR his originality.
Peanuts, in my view, is both the most inspired and most inspirational comic strip ever written.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on January 27, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
And did Peanuts make you laugh out loud?   ???
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on January 27, 2014, 10:36:36 PM
Many, many times, Sandy, in my case. And I share Roger's view. But I also have a lot of sympathy for your own view on Beau Peep, and Roger is characteristically modest about it all.

Best strip of all time is purely subjective, and beholders' eyes are all seeing different things. I've long since come to the conclusion that 'laugh out loud' isn't the only hallmark of a great strip, and that there is often as much satisfaction in a wry, knowing grin as a belly laugh, if not more. I do think it's not that hard to spot the greats though, and certainly I'm happy to hail both strips in that bracket.

Who cares what the best is? That's way too serious a debate.
Title: Re: ''Roger writes jokes the way he plays pool'' ....
Post by: Egg on January 28, 2014, 08:00:30 AM
The thing for me with Beau Peep is that it's consistently funny. I like other strips, and totally agree with the comments about Peanuts in that it's not belly laugh everyday, but what it is and is saying everyday and historically.........Linus!

My other half doesn't get Beau Peep at all and often says, "what are you laughing at!"

Humour can be and often is, a very personal thing.