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Beau Peep Notice Board => Outpourings => Topic started by: Redundant on November 09, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
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...America! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( What did you do? <- <- <- <- <- What the...... (*coat*)
I won't go into detail, it's all there in all its glory on the various news sites. What was particularly unique about the American election, which surprisingly none may have noticed, is that it is the epitome of an earlier post of mine, the theory that "Stupidity is the new normal" which can be found here: http://www.cameldung.co.uk/index.php?topic=2854.0 (http://www.cameldung.co.uk/index.php?topic=2854.0).
To be fair that topic was primarily not about stupidity itself, but it's acceptance as the new normal, and how pointing out something stupid could make you the bad guy, despite some other idiot actually doing the stupid bit. Because stupidity is the new normal.
Nevertheless I am less than absolutely delighted that the American voters [let's be more specific, essentially all the white guys] took note of that theory, and made it their own, a father couldn't be less proud at this moment.
One comment I did like went something like "Out of a population of 321 million, how come this is the choice we ended up with?"
So there you have it, one theory utterly and completely vindicated, and all it took was the emasculation of America to do it...a small price to pay I think you'll agree.
Sadly it's a theory that may soon have had its day, just as technological changes are accelerating, so to is stupidity, but fear not, the theory that "The inmates have taken over the asylum" may well prove to be a worthy successor.
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...America! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( What did you do? <- <- <- <- <- What the...... (*coat*)
I won't go into detail, it's all there in all its glory on the various news sites. What was particularly unique about the American election, which surprisingly none may have noticed, is that it is the epitome of an earlier post of mine, the theory that "Stupidity is the new normal" which can be found here: http://www.cameldung.co.uk/index.php?topic=2854.0 (http://www.cameldung.co.uk/index.php?topic=2854.0).
To be fair that topic was primarily not about stupidity itself, but it's acceptance as the new normal, and how pointing out something stupid could make you the bad guy, despite some other idiot actually doing the stupid bit. Because stupidity is the new normal.
Nevertheless I am less than absolutely delighted that the American voters [let's be more specific, essentially all the white guys] took note of that theory, and made it their own, a father couldn't be less proud at this moment.
One comment I did like went something like "Out of a population of 321 million, how come this is the choice we ended up with?"
So there you have it, one theory utterly and completely vindicated, and all it took was the emasculation of America to do it...a small price to pay I think you'll agree.
Sadly it's a theory that may soon have had its day, just as technological changes are accelerating, so to is stupidity, but fear not, the theory that "The inmates have taken over the asylum" may well prove to be a worthy successor.
is this from the same country that voted to leave the EU and elected Boris Johnson as Mayor of London? ;)
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I can't help thinking that this whole business is like Mel Brooks' "The Producers". Instead of "Springtime for Hitler", the grotesquely inappropriate focal point is Donald Trump. In both cases, neither was supposed to actually succeed.
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is this from the same country that voted to leave the EU and elected Boris Johnson as Mayor of London? ;)
Nice try MadMalc, but sadly...no it's not. It's from the Isle of Man, which can be found wandering the Irish Sea with the English to the East, the Irish to the West and the Scots to the North [no point mentioning Wales, it ruins the whole compass thing otherwise]. The Isle of Man is independent [mostly] and gets no votes in British politics including anything to do with the EU. We have our own Parliament [and I use that term loosely] and there I concede, we vote the same trolls into power time and time again, and then Bi*ch about it for four years afterwards.
SO Brexit...not my fault, Boris Johnson...not my fault, I might have used either to prove the stupidity theory, but I was waiting for stupidity so humongous as never to be repeated...unless he stands for re-election of course...
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SO Brexit...not my fault, Boris Johnson...not my fault, I might have used either to prove the stupidity theory
It might turn out that neither proves to be stupid. Mind you, I can't see me giving a toss either way.
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See, this is the problem with democracy.
You give people the right to vote, and what do they do? They use it, that's what! Before you know it, you have someone in power that the majority of the people wanted!
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Yes, but even that didn't happen. The majority voted for Clinton. They have an even more unfair General Election system than we do.
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Yes, but even that didn't happen. The majority voted for Clinton. They have an even more unfair General Election system than we do.
Nice work my friend, not jealous in the least that I have to come up with dozens of words and frequently fail to say what I mean, and your picture... If you're the "glass is half full" type you might imagine President Elect Trump might actually do some good, those of other disposition might be hoping he steals President Harrisons record. I no longer care, it's one thing to come up with theories about stupidity, it's another thing to watch it in action.
My next theory will almost certainly relate to flowers, and how the scent of them seems to be increasing in a delightful way, bringing harmony and peace to a cynical old world, oh and there will be rainbows and possibly unicorns.
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Of course, no-one would wish the same end that cut short Harrison's tenure at the White House (32 days, before pneumonia finally removed him from office, and life, to save those who didn't know from checking on Wikipedia...like I just did). I'm hoping he'll do a Diane James (hopefully his buddy Farage will do the introductions) before swearing himself in - "Sh*t, yeah - I'll do it!".
Failing that, the search for a nice grassy knoll is on...
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The Harrison bit is only from my short term memory, I read somewhere he was the "outdoors" type and despite it being mid winter and freezing he insisted in doing his inaugural as President wearing just shirtsleeves. There's no direct link to the later pneumonia but...
I'm not ready for the grassy knoll just yet, probably because that might well be his supporters solution if Clinton had won, no problem letting karma have a go, but karma is a bit hit and miss, so for me natural causes is the route to adopt.
With a little luck, there will be so much back stabbing and muck raking going on within the Republican camp, we might even get Nixon II...
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Oh, I wasn't suggesting anyone should take uo the Grassy Knoll Option. Heaven forfend! That would be for the Illuminati.
Weird thing is you can almost look back and feel sorry for Nixon now. All he did was a little bit of taping. That wouldn't even merit detention these days.
Okay, any weak excuse for another cartoon....
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Superb, Steve. Yet another cracker.
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Okay, any weak excuse for another cartoon....
[Brilliant] git.
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Thank you, thank you! I shall try not to make a habit of it. Most kind!
This evening, I've been educating myself ( :D ) a little in the United States electoral college voting system this, as well as enjoying a few robust Internet exchanges with a Trump-supporting cartoonist friend (who I normally get on very well with) as he tries to defend how they do things. It's a joke! Lord knows our own electoral system is flawed enough, but over there, they vote for 'Electors' to make the decision for them, each state having an allocation of these people, mostly pledged to one of the two main candidates/parties. But they can, and occasionally do, change their minds, before formally declaring in mid-December. Those that change their minds are known as 'faithless electors', and there have never been enough of them to have actually changed the outcome of an election.
It would take about 20 of them to overturn this one, and place Hillary Clinton at the White House door where she probably belongs, having polled around 200,000 more votes than Trump, and who only won because of this iniquitous system. But even in the unprecedented event of that happening (and I guess if any result might set the precedent, this would be it), Congress would then slap it down again when IT gets to decide in early January, before Inauguration Day on January 20th. Basically, the people are not trusted to make the right choice, at least not entirely.
My cartoonist friend tried to explain it to me, but I was horrified when what started as an attempt to justify 'cultural differences' as reason enough for the different values placed on votes in some areas, eventually boiled down to why should a drug addict's vote count the same as a thoracic surgeon's. Unbelievably judgemental bollocks!
So, Trump was right after all - it was rigged!
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"...the people are not trusted to make the right choice..." Can't imagine that scenario...
I frequently try to make sense of the world we live in, and then I take sufficient prescription drugs to ensure I can't try that again for a while. I may avoid American politics for a while, sadly for me Trump represents so many negative features of humanity I can barely listen to him without feeling the need to vomit.
Democracy is broken, and we keep electing the wrong people to fix it, if it is in fact fixable, which I doubt. I did a topic somewhere based on the quote "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite" or roughly translated ""Every Nation gets the government it deserves" the link is below. I am not sure that actually applies any more, we may have actually gone beyond that point. Elections have become a thing of desperation, anger and false hope, we'll cling to any false messiahs who promise to "make [Insert country here] great again", who will "house the homeless", "make poverty a thing of the past", "build a more robust economy", "bring employment where there is none".
In reality they just prop up the status quo as best they can, paper over the cracks and hope the great unwashed remain glued to the "entertainment" box in the corner.
Time for the Co-Codomol I think...
Link: http://www.cameldung.co.uk/index.php?topic=2950.msg42044#msg42044
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The best thing has to be that we can now call the USA....Trumpton! ;D
As the average age of the Members is likely to be North of 50, then the above is definitely target
audience and no further explanation is required! :P
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Funnily enough (and any excuse for another cartoon) here's a t-shirt design sketch I was working on a few weeks ago (may yet happen, so this is between us)...
Does anyone outside the USA actually think Trump was the right choice (apart from Putin and Farage, I mean)?
Diane, have y'all started building that wall across the Canadian border yet?
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I am glad Trump won. (never thought I would ever say that!) I think America picked correctly and chose the lesser evil.
I am surprised he was allowed to win after what happened to the true people's choice Bernie Sanders.
If I had been American, I would have voted for a woman but it would have been Jill Stein.
Glad the election is over - two years is ridiculous.
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Sorry, I still don't understand how a woman who was a bit sloppy with her emails can be a greater evil than a racist, homophobic, mysogenistic sexual predator and bully, who lies through his teeth, makes a virtue out of dodging taxes, and routinely refuses to pay people who have worked for him (there's more, but that should do). But maybe it's just me.
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Sorry, I still don't understand how a woman who was a bit sloppy with her emails can be a greater evil than a racist, homophobic, mysogenistic sexual predator and bully, who lies through his teeth, makes a virtue out of dodging taxes, and routinely refuses to pay people who have worked for him (there's more, but that should do). But maybe it's just me.
No, it is not just you, that was the narrative that was pushed by the media on everyone. A high ranking solider is in fact in jail for doing the same thing with emails - but there is a different standard for her for some reason. She did it and she lied about doing it.
When you consider the big and little things that Clinton did in her role as Secretary of State or as support with her husband - things done rather than said, she has proved herself to be worse than Trump.
Racist: Her husband was the start of the for-profit jail system. So many blacks are incarcerated because they can't afford the law game, incarcerated over things as petty as smoking weed (Obamba laughed about his own use). They had to dig back to the 70s or 80s when Trump refused to rent to black people - many Americans have changed their views since then. She was the one that actually sent undocumented children back to Mexico because they arrived without parents.
Homophobic: Do you not recall how much she flip-flopped on the issue of gay rights? She only turned pro-gay when the atmosphere in the nation warmed up to gay rights.
Misogynistic: Campaigning now for equal wages for women. What stopped her in the last 30 years from paying women even in her own department the same as men? She paid them 79c on the dollar. When the poor garment workers (women) in Cuba campaigned for 61c an hour (living wage there was $2.5 an hour at the time) - she had a part in busting them back down to 30 cents an hour because she was for the US garment manufacturers not women or human rights. Pretty darn evil.
Lies through his teeth: Yes, she wins him there too from her narrowly escaping sniper fire in Bosnia to even things that don't matter such as her support of a sports team over another.
She wouldn't release her corporate speeches because she said one thing to her rich backers and another to the rubes. She has been so pro-Israel, a nation who have been awful to Palestine. She is a war monger for wars for profit. She has been part of a pay for play system with her charity and takes Saudi contributions (surely one of the most evil nations in the world?)
She hired the leader of the party Shultz after Shultz was fired for cheating the running Sanders in favour of Hillary - she took questions ahead of the debate from A CNN reporter who got fired for cheating then boasted in the debate how she had prepared for the debate. She would not be allowed to run for class president in a high school for even this.
Trump said things when a private citizen that were inappropriate - but she actually laughed on camera in her role in the rape and murder (as that is what it is without trial) of Gadhafi - that now is being proven to be more about him wanting to sent up a gold standard system and not be in debt to America.
She is the Queen of False flags and double standards.
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Yes, but apart from that...
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It's a big list Diane, but it's a bit one sided, anything bad about Trump was just the narrative pushed by the media, whereas everything bad about Clinton is true? Admittedly my remarks are also one sided, I guess that's the nature of taking sides, making judgements, being human. I wish America luck with their new Messiah, I hope he leads them to the promised land [damn, my bias is showing again], personally I suspect they [or at least the ones who voted for him] now have the government they deserve. Maybe he'll surprise us all.
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It's a big list Diane, but it's a bit one sided, anything bad about Trump was just the narrative pushed by the media, whereas everything bad about Clinton is true? Admittedly my remarks are also one sided, I guess that's the nature of taking sides, making judgements, being human. I wish America luck with their new Messiah, I hope he leads them to the promised land [damn, my bias is showing again], personally I suspect they [or at least the ones who voted for him] now have the government they deserve. Maybe he'll surprise us all.
I was pushing back against the popular argument of he's so vile but she has only a few innocent emails to go against her. Obamba has just today pre-pardoned her for any future legal action. Different rules for the top players.
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Shall we see how well the laws apply to Trump? I guess we shall. Or perhaps we won't.
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But all of the above aside (and I can agree that the choices were not good), America has voted an emotionally immature (let's be kind) hothead to one of the most powerful positions on Planet Earth. Regardless of the faults and past records of both main candidates, that on its own is cause enough for grave concern.
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Strong language, but THIS...
https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs
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I bet Trump wasn't homeschooled.
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;D I guarantee he was!
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Three of his kids and his son-in-law in the Trump transition team, at least we can rule out the likelihood of nepotism...
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;D ;D ;D
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Strong language, but THIS...
https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs
Yes, that exactly.
And this from a 2/3 of a bastard Arab: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/im-arab-and-many-of-us-are-glad-that-trump-won/ (http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/im-arab-and-many-of-us-are-glad-that-trump-won/)
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Oh, what a beautiful picture that paints, Diane. So, in summary, the Trump lesser-of-two-evils is the better choice in order to hold up a mirror to what America has become, and from that things may change. Is that fair?
Except that it's complete hogwash. What Trump will do is legitimise people like him, and empower and embolden them to be more open about the 'qualities' they share with the President Elect. And even that is false - there are things they will never share with The Donald. The last thing Trump will ever be is a Man Of The People - never was, never will be. He was born into wealth and privilege and will no doubt die in even greater wealth and privilege. He knows NOTHING about how it is to be an 'ordinary American', struggling to get by with everyday worries and responsibilities (and no, I'm not saying Clinton does either).
I completely accept Hillary Clinton was the wrong choice to run for the Democrats, and had I the choice, the only reason I would have voted for her would have been to try to stop Trump. That should never have to be a reason, but tragically it was, for so many. However, under the iniquitous electoral college system, sadly not enough.
Okay, perhaps the nearest we might get to any sort of accord on this would be to say that although we may not agree which was the lesser (or greater) of the two evils, evils they were and neither should have found themselves anywhere near the White House door. Had almost anyone else on the planet been in either pair of shoes in this election, they would have been defeated by a landslide.
There will never be a perfect President for all the people. There are too many tough decisions to be made for that to ever happen, and prejudices are part of the human condition, sadly. But from where I'm standing, had I the power to do so, I'd scrap the whole thing, let Obama stay another term, and do it all again when things settle down and two sane, rational candidates can be found. Either that, or put 300 million names in a hat...
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When people vote with courage and kindness rather than fear and greed, things will change. It is logical that a society without a social safety net will make a population greedy and scared. It is a downward spiral.
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When people vote with courage and kindness rather than fear and greed, things will change.
Bit of a chicken and egg one that though, Diane. Neither of the candidates would exactly match up to a courage and kindness ticket. I don't know enough about the other candidates to say any of them would fit the bill either, but in any case, to elect any of them would involve a paradigm shift of monumental proportions in how people vote. And the problem is that basic human nature dictates that we elect strong leaders, and although courage might be a part of that, sadly (and I do mean that) kindness is almost looked upon as a weakness when pragmatism is the main requirement of those who run our countries. For my money, Obama has come closer to pulling that one off than any other world leader I can think of in my lifetime. And yet, look who's following him...
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Jill Stein of the Green party was almost identical in platform as Bernie Sanders, I think at one point she even offered him the party leadership. They would have swept the young votes and a portion of the 43% that didn't vote - they could have won - free college and backing off the war industry.
I hope something good happens in 2020 but already with Trump, the TPP is dead in the water, so that is off to a good start. People want to have wealth for their own citizens not better trade and labour deals that only benefit the super rich. This could very well be the start of an uprising of regular people and I have more hope with him than with her. He is horrible but he grew on me in comparison. Like the Walking Dead show - the Governor is starting to look good to me now.
They say hindsight is 2020 :-)
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I wish you well in your hopes for Trump, I'm an atheist so I don't do messiahs. I look at America eight years ago and the election of President Obama and the world was polarised by how amazing it all seemed, eight years on and it's President Elect Trump, who can't even wait until he's President before kicking in the nepotism. Incidentally three of the "family members" in his transition team are also allegedly to control a blind trust of Trumps businesses whilst he is out making America great again. If it's a blind trust, they can't control it, by definition blind trusts are independently controlled. If anyone, anyone, actually believes that Trump won't still be involved in his businesses [via his kids who "won't discuss the business with Dad, honest"] I want to know, because I have ten thousand acres of prime real estate at the bottom of the Atlantic, going cheap.
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They say hindsight is 2020 :-)
When we get to 2020, we'll see. ;)
Greens plus Sanders would have got my vote, but I'm less convinced it would have been part of a Mexican (what wall?) Wave of support across America. Nice thought, but one for the future perhaps, once Trump is finished.
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I wish you well in your hopes for Trump, I'm an atheist so I don't do messiahs. I look at America eight years ago and the election of President Obama and the world was polarised by how amazing it all seemed, eight years on and it's President Elect Trump, who can't even wait until he's President before kicking in the nepotism. Incidentally three of the "family members" in his transition team are also allegedly to control a blind trust of Trumps businesses whilst he is out making America great again. If it's a blind trust, they can't control it, by definition blind trusts are independently controlled. If anyone, anyone, actually believes that Trump won't still be involved in his businesses [via his kids who "won't discuss the business with Dad, honest"] I want to know, because I have ten thousand acres of prime real estate at the bottom of the Atlantic, going cheap.
;D I'm with the Atheist (forgive me, Lord!). ;D
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;D I'm with the Atheist (forgive me, Lord!). ;D
Great, now go out and sell us 500 acres of "ATLANTICA - The City of the Future" [I knew that course at Trump University would come in handy]
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I suggest free snorkels with every order.
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It's a nice idea, but not big enough, I plan to sell them gills, surgically implanted on completion of their new undersea home. Simpler this way, drug them, superglue some fish gills to their necks, wake them up when the boat's "overhead" of their property, throw them in and tell them to swim down. Throw in some "Atlantica" iron ankle bracelets...another satisfied consumer.
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Trump needs you in his team!