Quote from: Mince on January 19, 2008, 11:24:08 AMQuote from: Malc on January 19, 2008, 01:41:58 AMTarquin having to make an appointment would be part of the foreplay, I take it?That should be "Tarquin's having ...", otherwise it's a fused participle. See Fowler's Modern English Usage.I think it would look wrong: "Tarquin is having to make an appointment would be part of the....."Are you sure that foul Fowler is correct, Mince?
Quote from: Malc on January 19, 2008, 01:41:58 AMTarquin having to make an appointment would be part of the foreplay, I take it?That should be "Tarquin's having ...", otherwise it's a fused participle. See Fowler's Modern English Usage.
Tarquin having to make an appointment would be part of the foreplay, I take it?
No, the "Tarquin's" is not short for "Tarquin is". It's the possessive.Tarquin having to make an appointment would be part of the foreplay, I take it?If you change the Tarquin to a pronoun, it becomes:His having to make an appointment would be part of the foreplay, I take it?And so "Tarquin" should be the possessive "Tarquin's".
No, it actually is short for "Tarquin, his having to make an appointment". I hate to agree with Mince. :
Do you mean that 'having' belongs to Tarquin?
Quote from: Vulture on January 19, 2008, 01:32:37 PMDo you mean that 'having' belongs to Tarquin?Yes.Eating chocolate is fun. The subject is "eating chocolate".John's eating chocolate is fun. The subject is "John's eating chocolate".John eating chocolate is fun. The subject is neither "John" nor "eating chocolate", and so it's wrong, a fused participle.
It does not always work, especially when the person is female.I hate her talking loudly in the library.Here the "her" could be a noun (like "him") or a possessive (like "his"), so it's impossible to tell if it's wrong.But if you use the name, it would be:I hate Jane's talking loudly in the library.But a more natural way of saying that is:I hate the fact that Jane talks loudly in the library.
The possessive "Tarquin's" is short for "Tarquin, his".It's like "Tarquin's underpants" is short for "Tarquin, his underpants".In the same way, "Fanny's satsuma" is short for "Fanny, her satsuma", but you still have an "s".
John's hiding the chocolate demonstrates his selfishness.We could write a whole story this way.