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Title: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 05, 2010, 08:59:39 PM
As many of you know, I am trying to breed dogs - all three of my males are pretty useless it seems from low sperm count to even aiming in the correct general area that would produce puppies.

Last year I tried two lots of AI with the vet, both unsucessful, and each time involves three trips to town and at a discount rate of $100 a pop it gets pricey.

How hard can it be I wonder? I cut my family's hair and do my own taxes - this can't be much harder can it?

http://www.minitube.com/catalog_items.asp?ProdGrp_ID=188&Cat_ID=2 (http://www.minitube.com/catalog_items.asp?ProdGrp_ID=188&Cat_ID=2)

Who thinks I should buy an AI kit and who thinks I should let the vet have another go?

Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Roger Kettle on April 05, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
Um...I'm going to have to think about this.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tom on April 05, 2010, 09:17:58 PM
??? There are things that I think should be left alone. I'll leave someone else to give you advice on this one Diane... I wouldn't know where to begin...  :-\
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: The Peepmaster on April 05, 2010, 09:22:38 PM

a discount rate of $100 a pop


"A pop"? Is that the veterinary description?

Diane - you excel at everything you do, so I'd grab the opportunity with both hands and see if you can pull it off.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 05, 2010, 09:50:32 PM
Well these responses sum up how I feel. One part "can do" spirit and two parts undecided.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on April 05, 2010, 10:02:06 PM
Subdued lighting, gentle music, romantic meal for two - worked for me!
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: The Peepmaster on April 05, 2010, 10:13:48 PM
Subdued lighting, gentle music, romantic meal for two - worked for me!
Yes, but you made me go "Dutch", much to the waiter's amusement.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Vulture on April 05, 2010, 10:48:20 PM
Diane, if single-sex partnerships (I think they have to be female, I can't see blokes..... sorry, let's not got there  <- ) can makes arrangements with a friendly male of the species, and a turkey baster, I can't see why you can't do the same with your dogs and bitches! I mean, how hard can it be.... ..0
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on April 05, 2010, 10:57:48 PM
Another line for Malc to resist.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Jack on April 06, 2010, 02:36:12 AM
Another line for Malc to resist.
Or not, hopefully.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Malc on April 07, 2010, 03:44:40 AM
I was just waiting to see how long before the words 'turkey baster' popped up.

I now have this image of a cowering little doggie in the corner covered by the shadow of a Cruella De Ville - style Diane, advancing, turkey baster in hand.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Calvin on April 07, 2010, 10:29:37 AM
More importantly, how does one get the "contents" into the turkey baster?
Now there's a pleasant job for someone.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Vulture on April 07, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
More importantly, how does one get the "contents" into the turkey baster?
Now there's a pleasant job for someone.

Calvin, you just send the dog into a darkened room, a little light music and a copy of the latest Crufts Magazine......... you get my drift?   ..0
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on April 07, 2010, 12:27:41 PM
Or just ask Nigella.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Vulture on April 07, 2010, 01:21:03 PM
Or just ask Nigella.


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Calvin on April 07, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
More importantly, how does one get the "contents" into the turkey baster?
Now there's a pleasant job for someone.

Calvin, you just send the dog into a darkened room, a little light music and a copy of the latest Crufts Magazine......... you get my drift?   ..0

Was going to start into evolution and opposable thumbs but then I remembered how dogs "clean" themselves.

This thread is heading quickly in an ugly direction.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Vulture on April 07, 2010, 05:26:51 PM
More importantly, how does one get the "contents" into the turkey baster?
Now there's a pleasant job for someone.

Calvin, you just send the dog into a darkened room, a little light music and a copy of the latest Crufts Magazine......... you get my drift?   ..0

Was going to start into evolution and opposable thumbs but then I remembered how dogs "clean" themselves.

This thread is heading quickly in an ugly direction.


Ew!!!!!
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 07, 2010, 05:47:05 PM
Sorry for the mix up – this one was meant for the dog breeder’s forum.

Your question should have been: Have you ever wondered why there are no pets at the fort and yet there is a surprising abundance of mince?
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Bilthehut on April 07, 2010, 06:03:16 PM
Come on, Diane.  It took you 2 posts to say that it was a mix up.  Does the Dog Breeders forum have a similar wallpaper? It certainly got the responses, though.

Would not the 'real' question have been better placed in ''Just a Fort'?
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 07, 2010, 06:19:15 PM
A good winkling out of the truth there Sherlock Hut.  ..0
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Vulture on April 07, 2010, 06:31:03 PM

Your question should have been: Have you ever wondered why there are no pets at the fort and yet there is a surprising abundance of mince?


Obviously, pet mince is very popular!
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Bilthehut on April 07, 2010, 06:31:36 PM
Why, shucks Diane.  Ta.  I don't  have a pipe or deerstalker hat, though.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Bilthehut on April 07, 2010, 06:33:20 PM

Your question should have been: Have you ever wondered why there are no pets at the fort and yet there is a surprising abundance of mince?


Obviously, pet mince is very popular!

Certainly not by Beau Peep, judging from his comments to Egon.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: The Peepmaster on April 07, 2010, 06:50:44 PM

Your question should have been: Have you ever wondered why there are no pets at the fort and yet there is a surprising abundance of mince?


Obviously, pet mince is very popular!

I wouldn't go that far. I wonder where he is...
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tom on April 07, 2010, 07:18:16 PM
It's a good job that you have realised you have posted your question in the wrong forum, Diane... it saves me a trip to the local library to see if they have any books on artificial insemination.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 07, 2010, 07:39:25 PM
I did post a link Tom - for the specialized equipment that I would need to buy - a turkey baster may very well work for lesbians but I wouldn't want to risk it with my dogs (dogs only are fertile for a few days twice a year).
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tom on April 07, 2010, 07:48:05 PM
Sometimes you get books which come with the equipment, which is why I was going to the library to see if I could find any that I could recommend to you.

Having second thoughts about the whole library thing though now... would it be wise to use second-hand equipment?
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: The Peepmaster on April 07, 2010, 07:56:13 PM
Diane's got her own library, Tom. In Canada.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 07, 2010, 08:03:51 PM
I don't Peeps, I'm just the board chair that's all.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Tom on April 07, 2010, 08:08:28 PM
I forgot about that... even so, though, sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees.

I'm not going to the library now anyway.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: The Peepmaster on April 07, 2010, 08:20:51 PM
I don't Peeps, I'm just the board chair that's all.

No "just" about it, Diane. You're an extremely important chair, and a vital cog in the depository's machinery.
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 26, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
Update
 
My dog went into heat Wednesday, I decided to use the vet, she had her second treatment on Friday. The vet said not to bring her in until Monday unless they were showing more interest as she did a smear that showed she is was only 20% into her heat (a heat can be all over in 2 days or drag out weeks so it is very hard to pinpoint the best peak time to AI).

Anyway...Sunday morning arrived and Chip is more interested in the girl in the next dog run and sure enough she is in high heat. So my vet took them all in on Sunday and we are trying with both girls. This is Chips third year with me with no pups from him either naturally or with the two AI attempts we had previously tried; this is the very last attempt to have pups – I could be in a sea of three litters puppies at the end of June as two of my other dogs were doing what comes naturally the past two days.

After more than a year since my only litter of pups was born last year, you can imagine how exciting this is. 
Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Calvin on April 26, 2010, 05:21:27 PM
I'm guessing purebred dogs here?
Maybe this is another issue with the purebred/pedigree thing.
When I were a lad you always knew if a bitch on the street was in heat (or even thinking about it) by the number of local mutts milling around, gazing longingly at their door. If one of these ladies ever got out and about the neighbourhood  in that condition you could bet on a consumation in minutes. It seemed to be a regular sight to find two dogs "knotted",with a frantic owner trying to get a water hose to reach. High comedy for a bunch of 8 year olds.
Mind you this was all before leash laws and following your dog around with a little plastic baggie.
Edit : It's also a safe bet that they made puppies 99.9% of the time too.
 



Title: Re: Artificial Insemination - does one really need professional help?
Post by: Diane CBPFC on April 26, 2010, 06:00:59 PM
Yes, Calvin I'm a really bad dog breeder. But what I lack in making pups I make up for in taking photos of my dogs - so I have a huge waiting and interest list.  :)

It would seem that Murphy's Law applies to the dog world, the more you want pups the harder it is for them to concieve. With AI you are lucky to get 2 or 3 pups if it does work for you. I have not had any sucess yet with AI but I'm really hoping this will work this time.

I wonder if that is where the term "get knotted" started from - we dog breeders call it "tied".