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Title: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 14, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
Sorry but I'm living this theory these days, and it needs airing, if only for the sake of my sanity.   Back in the dark mists of May I mentioned I was about to make myself redundant, in the true sense, that is.   In reality of course the true culprit is the evil trolls at head office.   In May they asked me how long it would take to close down the two companies I manage, I said December at the earliest so they "made" me redundant in September.   I'm still here, or there, depending on your point of view.   Now it looks as though the situation will continue, probably until the end of March at least.

So were does "Stupidity is the new normal" fit it?   Well firstly it's mainly stupidity that has enabled the situation to continue, that and empire builders who apparently work mainly with sand, but that's not the true "Stupidity is the new normal" moment.   That moment occurs when I become the bad bugger for mentioning just how stupid it has been.   That moment occurs when I am so ungrateful that I won't take a fifty percent reduction in my continuing salary as, and I quote; "I won't have that much to do".

"Stupidity is the new normal" comes not from the reality that humanity is essentially on a one way journey to idiotic oblivion, hopefully at the hands of Artificial Intelligence we create, but from the reality that it is now wrong to challenge stupidity, or even to point it out.   When the idiot in the shop overcharges you, because they can no longer count and the till does it for them, and the button for the purchase of a television is too close to the button for a tin of beans, he or she is not the bad guy; you are for pointing out your cooker isn't big enough to cook the Television, and that you prefer Heinz anyway.

When the idiot comes to fit the replacement glazing and it doesn't fit, and they seem puzzled because they are sure they measured twice, they are not the bad guys.   You are the bad guy for pointing out that they possibly should have measured the right window, i.e. the one that doesn't have any glass in it, as opposed to the one that already does.

And that's why "Stupidity is the new normal".
 

Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 14, 2015, 11:10:03 PM
I have to admit that in the last decade, and the last year or so in particular, I have re-evaluated much of what I would now consider stupidity on my part, and as a result I don't waste a penny on stupid corporations, especially water companies, or on dvds, cds, or on brands, or on anything that might be a stupid waste of my time or money. But I'm not there yet: so I guess we're all stupid to a degree. Having said that, you're probably talking about "monumental jaw-dropping stupidity".
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 15, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
I have to admit that in the last decade, and the last year or so in particular, I have re-evaluated much of what I would now consider stupidity on my part, and as a result I don't waste a penny on stupid corporations, especially water companies, or on dvds, cds, or on brands, or on anything that might be a stupid waste of my time or money. But I'm not there yet: so I guess we're all stupid to a degree. Having said that, you're probably talking about "monumental jaw-dropping stupidity".

It's not the stupidity itself, that's identifiable in virtually every area these days, it's the acceptance that this level of stupidity is now normal.   The meek haven't inherited the earth, the idiots have.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 16, 2015, 01:10:05 AM
Oh, don't worry. Watch out for your own stupidity, maximise your happiness and wealth, and let others be stupid if they want to. You could always resort to sarcasm when necessary.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 16, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
Oh, don't worry. Watch out for your own stupidity, maximise your happiness and wealth, and let others be stupid if they want to. You could always resort to sarcasm when necessary.

Dude, I would love to let them be stupid, but there's a voice in the back of my head that insists "tell them they're stupid".   It may have something to do with not being stupid, equally I suspect the neatly lined-up pens, pencils and notepad on my desk may be a factor.  Throw in the fact that newly hung pictures [thanks again Roger] get checked with a mini spirit level and you may start to formulate a reason for my frustration.

Anyway, I don't object to their stupidity, I object to being the bad guy for pointing it out, particularly when it's rabid stupidity.   The other day my wife couldn't get served in a shop, their electricity had failed and thus the tills were inoperable.   They could get them open but they couldn't do the calculations between cost and change.   On the positive side my Grandson is pretty smart, so if the timing is right he could end up World Emperor...
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Roger Kettle on December 16, 2015, 09:09:09 PM
And then there are some of us who have made a career out of being stupid!
Actually, Red, I'm in your corner. The Red corner, if you like. I'm extending your argument SLIGHTLY, but what really gets to me these days is the attention, coverage and importance placed on the mind-numbingly trivial. A few months back, several newspapers ran a photograph of a celebrity sneezing. I kid you not. When I say "celebrity", I mean someone who has appeared  on a TV soap or one of those "reality" shows. One of these newspapers decided that the photo merited a slot on the front page. Now, I've worked in the tabloids for a long time and I fully understand how they work but it seems to me that, in the last few years, they've given up on any pretence of providing even the tiniest piece of meaningful information. On a similar theme, I find myself swearing at the TV when I hear almost any actor/actress being interviewed. They talk about the three months of "sheer hell" they went through while preparing for their role in the latest crap movie they've just made (while picking up $30,000,000 in their luxury on-set trailer). I refer them to the real world.
I've made a living out of being trivial. There is NOTHING important about what I do. It's MEANT to be trivial and a quick laugh, hopefully, is all I'm going for. There may well be comic strips that will stand up to intellectual analysis but mine ain't among them. I'm proud to be trivial!
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 16, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
There may well be comic strips that will stand up to intellectual analysis but mine ain't among them. I'm proud to be trivial!

Many of us would not characterise Beau Peep as trivial. I agree you have a cushy job and therefore little to complain about, just as film stars do, but that does not make you or them any less talented. Of course, it all depends on one's perspective: after all, if I was as utterly unable to cut and paste as you are (how many laptop screens and glue pots have you been through so far?), I'd have to consider ritual suicide to avoid the dishonour of looking like a dunce.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 17, 2015, 12:39:12 AM
And then there are some of us who have made a career out of being stupid!

Sorry to ruin your day but what you do is anything but stupid, I'd argue that you make a living making use of and highlighting stupidity, and there's a big difference.   I agree with you on the tabloids and news in general, "not news" has become news, I don't know where they are putting the real news.   I don't remember the last time I bought a newspaper, I gave it up after cutting out the parts I wanted to read, i.e. news stories, and realising I had less than three pages from a total of thirty-four.   Nor do I watch television, I like the idea of putting "celebrities" into a jungle, I have issues with bringing them back again, I think expulsions from any reality programme should include a cliff, and I can see all the body fat I want to, and too much more, just looking down.

But I do not deny any human being their right to stupidity, I just wish there were not so many eager to sign up



Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on December 17, 2015, 12:45:37 AM
People who use the word "anniversary" to describe events that happen on a non-annual basis. "It was our one month anniversary yesterday!". No, it bloody wasn't!

Almost worse - people who remark on annual events with a correct usage of 'anniversary', but insist on using the word "year" in doing so. "Tomorrow is our three-year anniversary." 
It's your third anniversary, Matey! We know they're counted in years... well, apart from those who mark them in months... weeks... days... hours... ******* nanoseconds...  >:(
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 17, 2015, 01:36:58 AM
If we're onto pet hates then . . . packaging.

Options Hot Chocolate using curved pots to con us, since the 'settled' contents leave the blue part of the pot empty. Look at the pot and imaging just the brown part: that's all you get, and it's the slender part of the pot.

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Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 17, 2015, 01:38:34 AM
And people who say things like "a present for Jack and I", as though "a present for I" makes any damned sense at all.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 17, 2015, 01:39:04 AM
And the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Bilthehut on December 17, 2015, 12:24:18 PM
Just remember

 "Common sense isn't".
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 17, 2015, 02:11:12 PM
My dad always said to me: "Ignore my advice." It's been stressing me out ever since.  :o
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 17, 2015, 04:00:35 PM
Well I see we hit a nerve or two!   Favourite quote about common sense; "Common sense is like deodorant, those who need it the most rarely use it".

As promised, an update on the Redundancy redundancy, which has now been extended to March 31st 2016.   Taking into account the eventual redundancy payment that will mean a redundancy period of over a year, from an initial three months.   Good news both financially and in terms of finding a decent alternative.   Bad news only being confirmation that "Stupidity is indeed the new normal" but that's hardly breaking news [no sneezing for a start].

I find myself hoping that when the archaeologists of the future [be they of human descent or other] start digging around they go a lot deeper than to the remains of our current civilisation, "Homo Moronus"

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Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 18, 2015, 12:50:39 PM
There is one aspect of this theory I have been thinking about, and haven't thus far discussed.  There's a reasonable argument that having stupid as the new normal isn't entirely negative.  I share very few attributes with my father, for which I am eternally grateful, but one we did share is possibly intelligence.   A large part of my fathers less than pleasant persona was due to alcohol, but I think this in itself was exacerbated by frustration.  Through both circumstance and personality he was probably frustrated most of his life by not being able to use his intelligence effectively.

An idiot doesn't have this kind of problem and we only have to look at local councils, members of various parliaments, organisations etc to realise being an idiot doesn't rule out success.   What I mean, I think, is that if circumstance and personality prevent an idiot from living a perceived successful life, he or she may not necessarily ever examine their lives to any extent.   An intelligent person on the other hand, almost certainly will if also prevented or denied, for whatever reasons, this perception.

I know there are many factors that determine success or failure.   I know too that there are many definitions of success or failure.   All that said, perhaps there is some truth to the statement that being stupid isn't necessarily the worst prospect given the direction our world is taking.  Feel free to disagree!
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 18, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
I would question whether a person who spends his life frustrated by circumstance and personality has ever examined his or her life.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 18, 2015, 02:59:36 PM
I would question whether a person who spends his life frustrated by circumstance and personality has ever examined his or her life.

The answer is there in your comment, the mere fact someone is aware of any sense of frustration regarding their life establishes reflection, or examination, whatever the level of reflection taken   If he or she is an idiot then reflection is unlikely, as is frustration, so the idiots win at least in terms of peace of mind.   My stupidity is the new normal merely enhances their lives.

The idea that an intelligent person can reflect and then change their life in some way is a lovely idea, but in reality in cannot apply to every intelligent person.   Just like the idea of equal opportunity, a great sound-bite but meaningless.  Given the same circumstances, the same education, no ten people would all turn out successful, or doing what they always wanted to do.   If that were not the case we'd all be entrepreneurs and there would be no-one to work the factories, the taxis, the restaurants etc.

I've done my share of service industry, barman, night porter, waiter, shelf filler, taxi driver, cleaner, and there was nothing wrong with any of those jobs, accept they paid peanuts, so I tried to do better.   In reality one of my favourite jobs was van driver for a fruit and veg company, fresh air, exercise and all the fruit you would want, and bugger all in your wage packet.

Intelligence does not guarantee anything, and reflection and examination are not a guarantee of change, and none of that is the argument or point.   The point is who is better off?   The man who knows there should be more to life, or the man who doesn't?

PS You could at least add "loving the full stops or something"...just saying
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on December 18, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
The point is who is better off?   The man who knows there should be more to life, or the man who doesn't?


It depends how you measure "better off". Wealth, it strikes me, more often than not leads to the pursuit of more wealth, driven by the fear of losing what you have. For me, "better off" is about contentment. Realising that, little as it may be, what you have around you brings a certain amount of happiness that no amount of increased wealth, fame, power, etc. could or would increase. Envy can look down as well as up.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Sandy Buttcheeks on December 18, 2015, 05:51:07 PM
The measure of a man is not how much he has, but how little he needs.

My favourite saying.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 18, 2015, 08:25:02 PM
Realising that, little as it may be, what you have ... brings a certain amount of happiness

 ;D
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 18, 2015, 09:20:45 PM

It depends how you measure "better off". Wealth, it strikes me, more often than not leads to the pursuit of more wealth, driven by the fear of losing what you have. For me, "better off" is about contentment. Realising that, little as it may be, what you have around you brings a certain amount of happiness that no amount of increased wealth, fame, power, etc. could or would increase. Envy can look down as well as up.

No debate on much of that, but it's off topic.   The better off in my post is specific.   Imagine a man or woman who, when faced with the choices life throws at them, constantly chooses the wrong path, for whatever reason, personality, childhood, religion, whatever you like.  The point or question being, is that person, based on their level of intelligence, "better off" being unable to reflect on those past choices, and possibly identifying the right choices far too late?

This isn't public self analysis by the way, so if anyone's panicking now is the time to stop, this is simply an exercise beyond the "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory, call it part deux if you want.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 18, 2015, 09:51:19 PM
Who's the more stupid, the one who fails to reflect on his life or the one who does and does nothing about it?
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 19, 2015, 12:51:50 AM
Who's the more stupid, the one who fails to reflect on his life or the one who does and does nothing about it?

The one who fails to reflect on his life, may do so through stupidity, it's kind of hard not to do such reflection otherwise.   So, if he's too stupid to reflect, he wins, simply because there is no thought to what might have been.  As for the one who does reflect and does nothing, it isn't a certainty game.  He may reflect and be unable to do something about it, for numerous reasons, that doesn't qualify him for a different level of stupidly.   Not everyone wins, but we go on selling the idea that everybody can, well they can't.   Those who don't win are surely better off being stupid enough not to reflect on what might have been?
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 19, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
He may reflect and be unable to do something about it

No one is unable to do something about their happiness. If you bind your happiness too deeply in your circumstances, you're bound to never be happy.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 19, 2015, 11:10:39 AM
The one who fails to reflect on his life, may do so through stupidity, it's kind of hard not to do such reflection otherwise.

Another theory is that everyone reflects but some do something about what they reflect on, or are happy enough not to have to reflect much. Perhaps there is no such thing as "too stupid to reflect". Do you actually know even one person who has not reflected on their life?

Perhaps it's not about who reflects and who doesn't, but who reflects and feels frustrated and does nothing, and who reflects and simply wonders whether it's a monkeys or a toss he can't give.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Roger Kettle on December 19, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Who decides who's stupid? And what's the yardstick?
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 19, 2015, 07:52:43 PM
Some people might say not being able to cut and paste indicates stupidity, but don't worry Roger, I haven't told them you can't drive either.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Roger Kettle on December 19, 2015, 09:38:57 PM
And some might say that making an extremely obvious joke indicates stupidity...
My point is, how do you gauge stupidity and in what context? Is being articulate enough to be considered intelligent? If so, that's a bit unfair. Why is PRACTICAL intelligence not so highly thought of? If Tarzan and Einstein turned up on "Mastermind", I would stick my money on Albert. If Tarzan and Einstein were dumped in the African jungle...well, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. Is the intelligence required to thrive in the jungle less important than the intelligence required to win "Mastermind"? There's a touch of "The Admirable Crichton" about this.
For the record, I would die on Mastermind in half an hour and in the African jungle in 4 minutes.

Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 19, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
Different people would define intelligence in different ways, and as you pointed out there are different intellectual skills for each context. But I would make a distinction. Einstein was more than a knowledgeable physicist; he was able to use his intuition and lateral thinking and imagination to question his knowledge and discover something new. Tarzan is also knowledgeable about the jungle, but did he 'redefine' the way others dealt with the jungle. If one could find a parallel between what would be intelligent in the jungle and in the realm of physics, one might get a better understanding of the meaning of the word intelligence.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 19, 2015, 10:49:38 PM
My point is, how do you gauge stupidity and in what context? Is being articulate enough to be considered intelligent? If so, that's a bit unfair. Why is PRACTICAL intelligence not so highly thought of? If Tarzan and Einstein turned up on "Mastermind", I would stick my money on Albert. If Tarzan and Einstein were dumped in the African jungle...well, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. Is the intelligence required to thrive in the jungle less important than the intelligence required to win "Mastermind"? There's a touch of "The Admirable Crichton" about this.
For the record, I would die on Mastermind in half an hour and in the African jungle in 4 minutes.

It's a valid point, and perhaps my point is not that practical intelligence doesn't have a value, given I'd last five minutes or less on Mastermind and a little longer in the jungle.   Personally, if asked, I'd probably rate practical intelligence over intellectual intelligence, whilst wishing I had more of the latter.   If asked however I would also probably plume for being too stupid to reflect on life, to any serious degree, allowing for Minces argument that all can reflect.   I guess you could liken it to having a belief system, it must be quite nice to view life, and death, with faith, nothing about an atheists viewpoint is anywhere near as pleasant.

I'm fairly certain, and I see evidence most days, that stupidity is the new normal, so I believe that theory is fairly functional.   It does not in itself decry stupidity, it does not make a judgement on stupidity, it simply states that taking issue with stupidity these days seems to draw more ire upon the complainer than the act of stupidity itself.

I would like to believe as Mince does, that everyone can do something about their happiness, but I don't.  The second part of my post related to the value of stupidity in terms of reflection, again it does not decry that stupidity, it merely asks which is better.   A lot of this argument of mine is fairly simply based [I like to keep to my strengths], so here is an example, again for Mince, but I am in no way sure it proves any point whatsoever.

When I was fourteen I lived in a bedsit.   I had a job.   Every Friday night I would hit the local nightclub where I would minesweep most of my drinks.  Oh yes, I was also a virgin.   I met a twenty year old Irish girl and by the end of that summer it was a serious love job.   After that things went to batshit and that was mostly my fault.   Now most of that relationship was positive, and good, and wonderful and yes, quite sexy.   Now, I personally would like to be stupid enough to reflect on that relationship on such a superficial level that all I remembered was the positive, if I reflected on it at all.   Sadly I am not, so while I can push myself to remember the positive aspect, I can't for a moment loose the negative.

Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 19, 2015, 11:00:30 PM
When I was fourteen I lived in a bedsit.   I had a job.   Every Friday night I would hit the local nightclub where I would minesweep most of my drinks.  Oh yes, I was also a virgin.   I met a twenty year old Irish girl and by the end of that summer it was a serious love job.   After that things went to batshit and that was mostly my fault.   Now most of that relationship was positive, and good, and wonderful and yes, quite sexy.   Now, I personally would like to be stupid enough to reflect on that relationship on such a superficial level that all I remembered was the positive, if I reflected on it at all.   Sadly I am not, so while I can push myself to remember the positive aspect, I can't for a moment loose the negative.

Perhaps this is not the answer you were looking for but here it is: stop thinking about it. Seriously, it's the past, and if thinking about it brings negative thoughts, stop doing so. Learn from it. Reflect on it. Do something about it. But don't stew over it.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Redundant on December 20, 2015, 12:20:09 AM
Perhaps this is not the answer you were looking for but here it is: stop thinking about it. Seriously, it's the past, and if thinking about it brings negative thoughts, stop doing so. Learn from it. Reflect on it. Do something about it. But don't stew over it.

You miss the point Mince, I suspect because you have a good soul.   This was not self examination, I did say so earlier, it was a genuine argument/proposal regarding stupidity, nothing more.   I can and do live happily enough with both the negative and the positive aspects of my life.  It was used as an example only, it isn't hampering anything in my life, it's just a memory, and mostly a pleasant one.  I make new ones every day, some are good, some are not, would it be nicer to be sufficiently stupid that I could skip the negative aspects of memory?   No idea.   I know I'd probably also then miss out on poetry, art, music, history, politics, love, loss and life itself, so unless we can magically modify stupidity to hit only specific targets, in hindsight maybe I'll elect for intelligence and live with being the bad guy when I point out the growing prevalence of stupidity.

On a lighter note I can honestly say there is a certain public park in Douglas that I truly cannot walk into without a momentary grin hitting my face, all down to that same memory.   As for what effect a certain park bench has...
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 20, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
I'm sure, if you choose any person at random, they will have a list of "stupid things" they have done and later reflected on. Whether they fail to learn from their mistakes, or are happy to repeat them, is up to them. But I would have thought both of those are preferable to reflecting on mistakes you make, being unhappy with them and failing to learn from them so that the cycle repeats. That's the real stupidity: not being in control of your own happiness.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 20, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
And some might say that making an extremely obvious joke indicates stupidity...

How do you gauge obvious and in what context?
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Roger Kettle on December 20, 2015, 09:50:36 AM
To define stupidity, you went for the obvious and oft-repeated---my lack of technical skills.
I came up with the brilliant retort you quoted above.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 20, 2015, 11:16:56 AM
To define stupidity, you went for the obvious and oft-repeated---my lack of technical skills.
I came up with the brilliant retort you quoted above.

I didn't define stupidity at all. I merely presented your "lack of technical skills" as an indication of stupidity. And I should point out that, given also your laughably brainless attempt to judge the Christmas competition, and your almost bizarre and deluded use of the word "brilliant" above, were I ever to use all these and other traits of yours to define stupidity, you would be the only stupid person on the planet with no one else even close. ;D

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Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Roger Kettle on December 20, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: My "Stupidity is the new Normal" theory
Post by: Mince on December 20, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
 ;D ;D ;D