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Beau Peep Notice Board => Outpourings => Topic started by: Mince on May 23, 2009, 08:03:40 PM

Title: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Mince on May 23, 2009, 08:03:40 PM
I just noticed that this part of the song "What a wonderful world":

I see trees of green........ red roses too
I see em bloom..... for me and for you

is just Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Roger Kettle on May 23, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 23, 2009, 08:37:21 PM
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Diane CBPFC on May 23, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: peter on May 23, 2009, 10:03:02 PM
I knew your hearing was bad but just what bit was the bit that you thought was twinkle
i think you where hearing the bell the bell all i hear is them bells
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Vulture on May 23, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
No, it isn't.

Posted by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll

No, it isn't.


Posted by: Diane CBPFC

No, it isn't.



- ditto -
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Mince on May 23, 2009, 10:26:14 PM
Are you all tone deaf?

I see

trees of = Twinkle

green = twinkle

red roses = little

too = star

I see em = How I

bloom = wonder

for me and for = what you

you = are
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 23, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
I'm with Pilch. It's the same tune. (That little snippet.)
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Mince on May 23, 2009, 11:00:02 PM
I'm with Pilch. It's the same tune. (That little snippet.)

Peeps, your karaoke skills have just gone up in my estimation.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 23, 2009, 11:14:24 PM
I sang last night, but have decided to have tonight off. I'm now going through the various stopping-off points on my Far-East tour next month. I'm doing Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Manila, Puerto Galera, Dumaguete, (hopefully a few other places along the way), and finishing off at BORACAY! Can't wait.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 24, 2009, 12:13:37 AM
You're both nuts. Count and compare the syllables for a kick-off, then the gaps, the rhythm and the notes.

You've just forced the comparison on the grounds that there's a very vague similarity, if you ignore all of the above.

And apart from that, you're denigrating one of the all-time great songs by attempting to imply it plagiarises a, quite frankly, pants nursery rhyme. You ought to be thoroughly ashamed.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Mince on May 24, 2009, 12:26:21 AM
I didn't say it plagiarises Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

I reckon he nicked the tune from Baa Baa Black Sheep.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 24, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
I reckon you need to get out more. If they'll let you.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 24, 2009, 12:49:19 AM
I had to admit it's the same sequence of notes, Tarks. It's done differently, of course, but is still the same tune.

Sing the sequence from Wonderful World and substitute the Twinkle Twinkle words. You'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 24, 2009, 01:11:03 AM
It's not the same sequence. It may follow the same route, but the notes do not correspond exactly. Ergo, it's a different tune.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 24, 2009, 01:28:37 AM
Take off the first two words from the song, "I see", and you have the same sequence.

Skies of: Twinkle
Blue: Twinkle
Red Roses: Little
Too: Star
I see 'em: How I
Bloom: Wonder
For me and: What you
You: Are

Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 24, 2009, 01:34:56 AM
In Korean it's this:

???? ?? ?
Pun-juck pun-junk jah-geun byoul
???? ???
a-rum-dup-keh bi-choo-ne
?? ?????
soh-chalk hah-neul eh-soh-doh
?? ?????
dorng chalk hah-neul eh-soh-doh
???? ?? ?
Pun-juck pun-junk jah-geun byoul
???? ???
a-rum-dup-keh bi-choo-ne

If that's of any help.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 24, 2009, 03:00:05 AM
It may be a help to you, but you're still wrong.

Tap out the respective tunes on any iStylophone and you'll get the following sequences:

Twinkle Twinkle...
CC GG AA G
FF EE DD C

Wonderful World (from "I see")
CC G AAA G
FFF E DDDC

Completely different!

Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Vulture on May 24, 2009, 03:59:32 AM
I'm with Pilch. It's the same tune. (That little snippet.)


It's the same tune.   ??? ???
I don't know why everyone's so worried about swine flu - pilchardism seems to be rife and Peeps has caught it!
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Roger Kettle on May 24, 2009, 09:50:57 AM
I'm wth you, Vulch---this whole Mince/Peeps alliance is very unsettling.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tom on May 24, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
It may be a help to you, but you're still wrong.
Tap out the respective tunes on any iStylophone and you'll get the following sequences:
Twinkle Twinkle...
CC GG AA G
FF EE DD C
Wonderful World (from "I see")
CC G AAA G
FFF E DDDC
Completely different!
Although they are different, they are similar.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Malc on May 24, 2009, 10:18:59 AM
I think it's the same melody, for that main verse. It's just another example of popular music ripping off the Classics which previously ripped off popular music. Twinkle Twinkle wasn't written by Mozart, but he did compose a series of melodies based on what was a popular folk melody.

There are innumerable (literally) examples in music where hits are revealed as thinly disguised versions of something or other by Puccini or Bizet, etc, etc. Lloyd Webber has made a career out of it.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: Tarquin Thunderthighs lll on May 24, 2009, 11:11:13 AM
No - it bloody isn't.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 24, 2009, 11:21:46 AM
No - it bloody isn't.

You're being slightly pedantic, Tarks, old bean.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: peter on May 24, 2009, 04:43:26 PM
as Eric Morecombe said it may have all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: The Peepmaster on May 25, 2009, 01:52:23 AM
Thanks, Mince. That was always a great line.
Title: Re: What a wonderful little star
Post by: robbie62 on May 27, 2009, 10:18:31 PM
dial 1155665 4433221 on your mobile with keytones on  for the twinkle little star tune