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The Leading Causes of Death
« on: March 27, 2016, 06:54:12 PM »
Spend 55 minutes of your life watching this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 08:03:31 PM »
And the rest of your life worrying about everything you eat. I'll pass, ta.
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 03:25:19 PM »
Spend 55 minutes of your life watching this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

I've been avoiding the "when will you drop dead and why" debate, I myself have "climbed the mountain" and asked to ultimate question, and whilst I have yet to fully understand the response ["Wear more appropriate footwear"] I at least know I will be sartorially prepared when the time comes.

My comment is this, don't watch the video, just read the conclusion, in thirteen words they manage to cover their asses twice, "Our results suggest..."[/b] and "...meat consumption may..."

In other words, they have the same clue as the rest of us...none.   Live it how you want to, the only thing guaranteed it is that it will end.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 04:17:58 PM »
Smoking may, heroine may, picking a fight with a gorilla may, drink driving may. All of life is a may, but usually it's useful to determine the extent of that may, the chances of it happening, and the facts and statistics that back it up.

Not bothering to take the time to educate yourself may lead to an early death.

These are just lazy rationalisations that allow you pat yourself on the back for 'cleverly' dismissing thousands of scientists and doctors who have spent their lives conducting hundreds of thousands of highly repeatable studies on millions of people over decades to come to the same conclusion.

At least be honest and just say "I'm probably going to increase my chances of the leading causes of death, but it's worth it to eat meat and fish and egg and dairy."


In other words, they have the same clue as the rest of us...none.

Then why do you bother seeing a doctor for anything? Everything he knows about every medicine he gives you is discovered the same way.
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 04:56:30 PM »
I'm probably going to increase my chances of the leading causes of death, but it's worth it to eat meat and fish and egg and dairy.

Don't like fish.

And I've given up enough in my life. Enjoy yours...and give it a rest. Please.
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 04:59:37 PM »

These are just lazy rationalisations that allow you pat yourself on the back for 'cleverly' dismissing thousands of scientists and doctors who have spent their lives conducting hundreds of thousands of highly repeatable studies on millions of people over decades to come to the same conclusion.


Yes the same conclusion, which is usually so ambiguous as to render it futile.  And it's not lazy rationalisation either, that's a phrase a politician might use when doing blah, blah, and does nothing to support your opinions, generalisations rarely do.

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At least be honest and just say "I'm probably going to increase my chances of the leading causes of death, but it's worth it to eat meat and fish and egg and dairy."


Last time I checked I wasn't required to make any personal statements regarding death and the inability to avoid it, it might be more honest as you indicate but that would also require me to give a rats behind about it in the first place.   True honesty, in my own case, is that simple, I really, really, really don't care.   I don't care what other people do either, I wish them luck and let them get on with it.

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Then why do you bother seeing a doctor for anything? Everything he knows about every medicine he gives you is discovered the same way.

I trust doctors less than I trust plumbers, and I don't trust plumbers at all.   A doctor is good for a) a week off occasionally b) stronger pain medication than I can buy over the counter.   Other than that it's flowchart time, is the patient this, is the patient that, yes/no, then it could be a,b,c or d.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 05:16:50 PM »

Last time I checked I wasn't required to make any personal statements regarding death and the inability to avoid it, it might be more honest as you indicate but that would also require me to give a rats behind about it in the first place.   True honesty, in my own case, is that simple, I really, really, really don't care.   I don't care what other people do either, I wish them luck and let them get on with it.


Wot Red sed. Bravo! Ear, ear.
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 05:30:21 PM »
I also agree with Red.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 05:49:01 PM »
Great! Can we talk about football now?

No, wait...   :-[
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 05:59:26 PM »
Yes, how come the football clubs rip off their supporters every year to the sum of thousands and supporters still put up with it? Football fans have a love of the game, and I don't use that word lightly: this love produces a feeling of togetherness, bonding and belonging, something that is with you from birth, often also with your sons from birth. It's tantamount to abuse for devious and greedy football clubs to use this love and bond against their own fans.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2016, 06:32:07 PM »
Is this a trap?  ???
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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 06:49:48 PM »
And is the trap baited with cheese?

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 08:38:50 PM »

Last time I checked I wasn't required to make any personal statements regarding death and the inability to avoid it, it might be more honest as you indicate but that would also require me to give a rats behind about it in the first place.   True honesty, in my own case, is that simple, I really, really, really don't care.   I don't care what other people do either, I wish them luck and let them get on with it.


Wot Red sed. Bravo! Ear, ear.
Oh, and me, too. Wholeheartedly.
Mince, I've known people who smoked 40 Capstan Full Strength a day, had fried bacon and eggs for breakfast 7 days a week and lived to 96. I've also known super-fit, vegetarian athletes die at 32. There ARE no guarantees. Actually, there is ONE guarantee. Any day now, a new book/theory/scientific study will appear that totally refutes what you've just read.
Eat what you like. Exercise from time to time and try to avoid being overweight. Enjoy this brief life as much as you can. That's it.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 09:17:30 PM »
Now that's not fair. I was finished with this and then you had to say all that.

Mince, I've known people who smoked 40 Capstan Full Strength a day, had fried bacon and eggs for breakfast 7 days a week and lived to 96. I've also known super-fit, vegetarian athletes die at 32. There ARE no guarantees.

What you say is about as ludicrous as saying, "I've known people advance towards machine guns and live and I've known people put on socks in the morning and kill themselves. I thus conclude that there are no guarantees and that advancing on a machine gun is no worse than putting your socks on." These are called 'outliers', freaks, million-to-one chances. Your smoker is an outlier, and the other 99.99% of smokers died well before that age, and the vegetarian athlete is also an outlier, and the other 99.99% lived longer and healthier lives. The book cannot guarantee anything; but it can show you what's most likely and what's most unlikely.

Seriously, live your life at whatever risk level is acceptable to you to enjoy your life. No one would get out of bed if they did not do this. But if you really believe what you just said above, you're deluded about the risks involved. And even that's okay. But don't expect remarks like yours above to escape being taken apart and ridiculed.


Actually, there is ONE guarantee. Any day now, a new book/theory/scientific study will appear that totally refutes what you've just read.

Well, these theories came out over the last five decades, some almost a century ago. So far, year on year, more and more studies have added to the body of evidence of previous years and decades. And yet despite this, and without reading any of it, you conclude that any day now a new study will be conducted so rigorous and of such scale as to refute decades of previous repeatable studies. I have heard that very soon smoking is going to be proved to be the ultimate cure of all illnesses by a study that 'totally refutes' the last decade of studies showing otherwise. Oh, and I hear gravity is going to be disproved next year, and we're all going to float.

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Re: The Leading Causes of Death
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 10:02:01 PM »
Is this a trap?  ???

I actually believe what I wrote above, despite personally thinking supporting a football team is a waste of my time. But those who enjoy watching football live, sometimes as a family, and who feel this excitement and bonding and love are being abused by the ridiculous prices. I just thought I'd argue something that perhaps was closer to members of this board and learn something into the bargain, especially given that I have never understood this love for what is basically a bunch of random footballers the club could afford to pay for.