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Offline Diane CBPFC

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Old British TV comedy series
« on: October 06, 2008, 12:26:34 AM »
I think the old 70s 80s shows were the funniest shows ever. Shows such as : Yes, Prime Minister, Faulty Towers, To the Manor Born, The Good Life, Dad?s Army, Newhart, The Last of the Summer Wine etc.

If you agree they were great shows, why do you think they were funnier and smarter than today's comedies even though the sets were often so cheap and tacky (even wobbly)?

I do like the Canadian comedy: Corner Gas which is now on it's 6th and last season - but I think before that the last TV comedy series I liked was Cheers and that is a few years ago now too.


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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 06:02:24 AM »
I think the old 70s 80s shows were the funniest shows ever. Shows such as : Yes, Prime Minister, Faulty Towers, To the Manor Born, The Good Life, Dad?s Army, Newhart, The Last of the Summer Wine etc.

If you agree they were great shows, why do you think they were funnier and smarter than today's comedies even though the sets were often so cheap and tacky (even wobbly)?

I do like the Canadian comedy: Corner Gas which is now on it's 6th and last season - but I think before that the last TV comedy series I liked was Cheers and that is a few years ago now too.


I agree with you, Diane. The old comedies seemed to be funnier. I think they relied on good writers, good timing and good actors. The 'comedies' today seem to consist of shock value, shouting and anarchy. Maybe that's just the way things have moved on and that's the way the younger generation like it!?

I've never seen Newhart, and Fawlty Towers was never a favourite of mine. When I was younger, I think The Good Life and Rising Damp were my unmissables.
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 06:25:44 AM »
I never saw Rising Damp - I will have to see if I can get that on inter-library loan.  :)
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 06:32:43 AM »
I never saw Rising Damp - I will have to see if I can get that on inter-library loan.  :)

I think nowadays it's classed as very non-pc (and dated) but it's funny nontheless.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 10:36:49 AM »
Yes, Prime Minister was awsome.

Oddly, the other night, I discovered that the window cleaner from the first series of the Good Life (the one who thought Barbara was selling her body to pay for the windows being cleaned) is one of the wirters of Yes, Prime Minister.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 10:44:20 AM »
Yes, Prime Minister was awsome.

Oddly, the other night, I discovered that the window cleaner from the first series of the Good Life (the one who thought Barbara was selling her body to pay for the windows being cleaned) is one of the wirters of Yes, Prime Minister.

Who were the other wirters? And what do they do exactly?
I apologise, in advance.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 10:52:14 AM »
They wirt.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 10:54:55 AM »
I know that. But do they use grupples?
I apologise, in advance.

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 11:26:08 AM »
If you check out the very earliest TV comedy, especially from the UK, it doesn't conform to what we now know as the "format", which was developed by people like Sid Caesar and the teams of writers who churned out the gag-a-minute scripts that we see today.

The Honeymooners, I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Mary Tyler Moore, the line goes all the way through to Friends and Everybody Loves...almost unchanged.

I watched one of the early episodes of On The Buses the other day, it was in black and white, and was probably the first two or three ever made. Awfully sexist, but at the same time very innocent. Women were "birds" or "ravers", very antiquated now, but in its time this was common currency.
There was a lot of character distinction in On The Buses, despite its faults. People had distinguishing personalities, unlike the American system which allocates cartoon "types" as though casting a kids show - the fat one, the jock, the funny one, the closet lesbian, the ditz, the fastidious one, etc, etc.
I've had umpteen shows pitched to me by US professionals (all absolutely convinced in their project's innovative qualities), and this is how all shows are developed in the States - virtually no character distinction, actors are just human devices for delivering lines.

Seinfeld did change that. It broke the mould in many ways, with solid and distinct differences in the personalities, and Seinfeld himself (like Batman) as the void in the centre compared to which the others inevitably are more interesting. Larry David, the genius behind Seinfeld, showed what he could then go on to do with Curb Your Enthusiasm, taking American humour to another level.

Look how British comedians see themselves compared to their US counterparts: Ricky Gervais went to the States to interview Larry David and Garry Shandling ("Larry Sanders").

David and Shandling pulled all the stunts - turning up late, making an entrance, and constantly engaging in a battle of "zingers", whilst Gervais giggled like a schoolboy. To the two Yanks it was war.
This illustrates the difference between the Brits and the Americans. In the US, comedy is taken very, VERY seriously. If your show rates, you live. If it doesn't, your career is over. For ever. That's why formulas are so crucial. It takes great courage for someone like Seinfeld to make a "show about nothing". It wasn't an overnight success, and nearly didn't make it to air at all, however, once it did, the network threw money at it, making a multi-millioniare out of Seinfeld, David and the main actors. Seinfeld need never work again.

Watch the early Steptoe and Son episodes and you wonder how the thing ever stayed afloat! Some of them are awful, but the solid characters and the excellent acting made the shows work as drama even if the comedy failed. That's where the US falls down. If the gags misfire, the whole show is a dud.
Look at The Good Life. Beautifully acted, the premise was sound, and Margot's character was rock solid. Yes she was a total snob, but she was never unpopular. She was actually very vulnerable, couldn't exist outside her own social circle, but loved her husband, loved her life and was a dear friend to Tom and Barbara.
Also, the series had the courage to go many minutes without the need to have a gag. The story, plot development and characters were created by people brought up on the theatre, whereas the American counterparts were the latest in a line that stretched back to Vaudeville, where if you weren't funny fast enough, a hook came across the stage and yanked you off.


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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 12:34:25 PM »
The British shows like Steptoe and The Good Life also had good wirters, of course.

I'd hate to have been yanked off on stage. Sounds humiliating.
Nostalgia is not what it used to be. 😟

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 12:43:50 PM »
Sounds humiliating.

I'm sure you are more used to that than the ordinary guy.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 01:57:16 PM »
The British shows like Steptoe and The Good Life also had good wirters, of course.

I'd hate to have been yanked off on stage. Sounds humiliating.

Thanks, Peeps and Tarquin. You've kept me giggling all morning. Keep up the good work.  ;D ;D ;D

Offline Diane CBPFC

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Re: Old British TV comedy series
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 04:23:18 AM »
I love Yes, Minister - it is so timely and gives you a look in the mind of a politition.

I have to cook supper for our MLA next week as our library begs for more government money.

I hope to pick up a few tips from the shows...
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Re: Old British TV comedy series
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2008, 09:14:00 PM »
I think this is something that Malc and I talked about before but "Ever Decreasing Circles" was a wonderful and hugely under-rated little gem.

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 11:56:00 PM »
A beautifully observed piece of comedy, all the characters were "real". Esmonde and Larbey were the writers, and they also wrote Please Sir and The Good Life, not a bad resume.

One thing I found out from Wiki was the sheer amount of series they tried but which didn't stick.
It's worth noting that their two biggest hits featured Richard Briers, so there's something to be said for partnerships and inspiration of actors on writers. Maybe once you know who your characters really are, you can write better for them, and being able to put a face to the name you've just invented might help.

Larbey wrote A Fine Romance on his own, and from that series you can see how he was a frustrated theatre writer.