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Offline Tarquin Thunderthighs lll

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2008, 01:59:32 PM »
 >:( Look, let's clear one thing up. I don't have to make appointments, OKAY? And if I did, there'd be none available before July. And I don't wear underpants - I'm a true Scotsman.

Look, let's clear three things up...
I apologise, in advance.

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2008, 02:02:35 PM »
I'm sure this is all b******s: I think Mince is having us on.

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #77 on: January 19, 2008, 02:03:52 PM »
Tarquin's clearing things up didn't help.

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2008, 02:04:47 PM »

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2008, 02:07:41 PM »
I take it all back, Mince. THIS is a load of b******s:

   fused participle

The progressive form of a verb (ending in -ing), in addition to its primary function, may serve as either a noun or an adjective, in which case it is called a gerund or a present participle, respectively. One often faces a choice between these two usages. For example, when a gerund is modified by a possessive pronoun or noun and appears as the object of a verb or preposition, the modifier may in some cases be replaced by its objective form. The gerund is thereby transformed into an adjectival participle, and the meaning of the sentence changes accordingly. Thus, I heard your crying becomes I heard you crying. As Brown observes, "In the use of participles and of verbal nouns, the leading word in sense, should always be made the leading or governing word in the construction." Thus, he favors the construction He was sensible to his strength's declining, in which he takes the gerund to be "the leading word in sense", but rejects the possessive in He felt his strength's declining, insisting on strength as the direct object and relegating declining to the role of attached adjective.

In some cases, the wrong choice results in nonsense, as illustrated by another of Brown's examples. The sentence He mentions Newton's writing of a commentary, though somewhat awkward, is preferable in his judgement to the alternative, He mentions Newton writing a commentary, which "though not uncommon, is still more objectionable because it makes the leading word in sense the adjunct in construction." In fact, the latter version defies grammatical analysis altogether, for Newton, which has the unmistakable form of a substantive, cannot be cast as the direct object here, as it is the writing and not the writer that is being mentioned.

The same problem is seen in the statement below.

    We witnessed them being dragged off on ropes to their death, and could hear them being killed. *

Offline Tarquin Thunderthighs lll

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2008, 02:09:27 PM »
Is it cos I is thick?
I apologise, in advance.

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2008, 02:10:46 PM »
Sadly, it all makes sense to me.

Offline The Peepmaster

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2008, 02:51:54 PM »
The possessive "Tarquin's" is short for "Tarquin, his".

It's like "Tarquin's underpants" is short for "Tarquin, his underpants".

In the same way, "Fanny's satsuma" is short for "Fanny, her satsuma", but you still have an "s".

Yes, I remember reading that somewhere. You are talking about the origin of the possessive. I shall have to look that one up to ensure it's not a myth.

I know it's not a bloody myth! I remember getting teached it at grammar school all those years ago!
Nostalgia is not what it used to be. 😟

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2008, 05:38:17 PM »
I think the written language is crap! And yes, I'm crap at it.

At least with the oral language you can 'read' the tone of voice , 'read' the body language and see the true meaning in the eyes. Eyes are the window to the soul, you know.

If you exchange a bunch of written words with an educated bod' (or overly educated specialist) and a run of the mill, jo bloggs, thick sh**e off the streets, then what's the worth of the written language then? Nowt. They don't 'get' each other.

It all smacks of 'I'm better than you'.

There, I've 'said' my piece!  ;D


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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2008, 05:42:08 PM »
I think the written language is crap! And yes, I'm crap at it.

At least with the oral language you can 'read' the tone of voice , 'read' the body language and see the true meaning in the eyes. Eyes are the window to the soul, you know.

If you exchange a bunch of written words with an educated bod' (or overly educated specialist) and a run of the mill, jo bloggs, thick sh**e off the streets, then what's the worth of the written language then? Nowt. They don't 'get' each other.

It all smacks of 'I'm better than you'.

There, I've 'said' my piece!  ;D



Hmm.. interesting. Maybe women should have their own language.
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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2008, 05:50:35 PM »
At least with the oral language you can 'read' the tone of voice , 'read' the body language and see the true meaning in the eyes. Eyes are the window to the soul, you know.

And if they have blue eyes then they are telling the truth (or who cares if they are telling the truth) ...

I don't go for all this sentimental hogwash. What if the person has had his eyes removed?

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2008, 05:51:11 PM »
I think the written language is crap! And yes, I'm crap at it.

At least with the oral language you can 'read' the tone of voice , 'read' the body language and see the true meaning in the eyes. Eyes are the window to the soul, you know.

If you exchange a bunch of written words with an educated bod' (or overly educated specialist) and a run of the mill, jo bloggs, thick sh**e off the streets, then what's the worth of the written language then? Nowt. They don't 'get' each other.

It all smacks of 'I'm better than you'.

There, I've 'said' my piece!  ;D



Hmm.. interesting. Maybe women should have their own language.

oh we do, you've just not 'listened' enough to have learnt it yet! :P

Offline Mince

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2008, 06:00:21 PM »
oh we do, you've just not 'listened' enough to have learnt it yet! :P

It's called gibberish, isn't it?

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2008, 06:16:53 PM »
oh we do, you've just not 'listened' enough to have learnt it yet! :P

It's called gibberish, isn't it?

Yes, but only when it's misquoted or mis-understood by someone!  ;D

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Re: Secret Handshake.
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2008, 06:20:57 PM »
At least with the oral language you can 'read' the tone of voice , 'read' the body language and see the true meaning in the eyes. Eyes are the window to the soul, you know.

And if they have blue eyes then they are telling the truth (or who cares if they are telling the truth) ...

I don't go for all this sentimental hogwash. What if the person has had his eyes removed?

What if he's lost his hands? Or had them removed, as is the wont of some countries!